Begineer to BizTalk Expert : Interview with Sandro Pereira

Welcome to fourth interview of the series, today's expert is Sandro Pereira.

Sandro works as a consultant at DevScope. His main focus is on Integration Technologies where he have been using .Net, BizTalk and SOAP/XML/XSLT since 2002. He is an active blogger, member and moderator on the MSDN BizTalk Server Forums and Code Gallery contributor. He has been awarded the Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) award for four consecutive years (2011,2012,2013 and 2014) based on his contributions to the world-wide BizTalk Server community.

Sandro is also a member and co-founder of BizTalkCrew along with Nino Crudele, Saravana Kumar, Steef-Jan Wiggers and Tord Glad Nordahl that are responsible for organizing BizTalk Innovation Day event all across Europe. Before starting the interview, I would congratulate Sandro for the success of his Book BizTalk Mapping Patterns & Best Practices.

Mahesh: Who are you and what you do? 
Sandro My name is Sandro Pereira, 36-year-old Portuguese guy and I’m living in the beautiful Porto region in the north of the country, a place of good food and Port wine. I am a BizTalk Consultant at DevScope ( and of course I am a community and technology enthusiast, working mainly focus with Microsoft Integration technologies and writing about it in several places: my personal blog, TechNet Wiki, Forums and several other communities’ platforms.

Mahesh: When did you start working on BizTalk?
Sandro: I started working with BizTalk Server, I think in June 2006 at DevScope as a junior BizTalk Consultant, I started optimizing and finishing some projects in progress in BizTalk Server 2004, and then installing new environments and perform a lot of project migrations to 2006. Which was nice because I was able to learn quite a few things and gave me a vast and important knowledge for what was to follow.

Mahesh: How did you mastered BizTalk (Learning path, amount of time)? 
Sandro: The reason I love working as an integration is that there is always something new for you to learn so… I’m still learning J. When I started there wasn’t too much information as exists today on BizTalk Server, but I think the learning path is the same as any other technology: by reading books, following some blogs, forums and mainly by don’t be afraid to try and fail. I learned quite a lot by myself working on the field and experience different things in my projects. But in a way I think now is a little easier to start developing and learn BizTalk Server.

Mahesh: Which are the major projects you handled so far? 
Sandro: In the last few years I'm been working on integration scenarios and Cloud Provisioning implementations at a major telecommunications service provider in Portugal. Is not only one project but a set of BizTalk projects that ultimately form a platform for supporting the entire Cloud infrastructure 
and integrate the Cloud platform with several internal legacy systems, such as HP Service Desk, billing systems… and other external partner systems. 
And also implementing outbound and inbound flows, archive and integration of thousands of electronic invoices, orders and status in EDI format with several partners and integrate these documents with SAP ERP system.

Mahesh: How do you see BizTalk compare to other integration platform? 
Sandro: Well to honest reply to this question I would have to know about all the other tools/platforms and I don’t. But sometimes I see clients and/or consultant companies trying to implement everything that is "integration" with BizTalk Server which in reality is not the right thing to do. For example the Microsoft integration stack in composed by Microsoft BizTalk Server (main integration product) but also with Microsoft Stream Insight, SQL Server Integration Services, SQL Server Master Data Services, Windows 
Server AppFabric, SharePoint Business Connectivity Services, Microsoft Azure Service Bus, a combination of . NET, WCF and AppFabric and recently Microsoft Azure BizTalk Services and so on. And each one of them have their purpose and their advantages and disadvantages and us, as consults, we 
should analyze the requirements and suggest the best tools/technologies/platform to fulfil them.

But I love BizTalk Server and I personal think that in general it is one of the best choice as an integration platform in a heterogeneous environment. But I'm not the best person to compare it with other competing platforms such as TIBCO, however I think that all of them have advantages and disadvantages. Probably TIBCO could have better performance in solutions that require low latency, but again probably will be more difficult to handle long running transactions.

Mahesh: What as per you is must to know to become an Integration (BizTalk) Expert? 
Sandro: As time passes, the normal process of life, we get more mature and we start to look some things differently. I began, for example, to have a great respect for this sentence "integration expert" and I honest don’t like to use it. Because if you work in integration it is almost impossible to know 
everything about it, there are thousands of different systems, protocols, formats and so on. You can really be very good in mapping, orchestrations, WCF, EDI or other common task but knowing nothing about RosettaNet, HL7 or legacy mainframes… and this is the reason because I love it. A new project 
may literally means that I have to be able to adapt and learn new things.

So in my honest suggestion the best thing that you should learn is to leave your comfort zone and try/learn new things, do not be afraid to try and fail and learn from that experience. You can start with easy things like if you are a BizTalk developer try to spend some time in BizTalk administration tasks or if you are an admin try to developer something by our own.

Mahesh: What are your thoughts on forums, blogs and articles etc.? 
SandroEssential resources for any community.

I think that all platforms have their purpose, Blogs, sites and magazines are good to share information and express the point of view of different authors, however has the disadvantage that its contents are immutable or changeable only by the author and reaches maybe a few thousand people. MSDN 
library is a great place to check official documentation. Forums is an excellent platform and great for helping people obtain answers for their problems and TechNet Wiki is and open platform that complements all the previous in which the greatest advantages is that anyone can pick up an 

article, fix it or add relevant content to the topic, making it always up to date.

And again when I started there wasn’t too much information as exists today, the number of resources grew substantially on BizTalk the last couple of years, and I'm not referring only to blogs and articles, open tools, scripts and so on. Last time I check there was 188 projects in CodePlex, 197 demos in Microsoft Code Gallery and 94 in TechNet Gallery.

Besides sending a clear messages to the community that BizTalk Server is alive and is here to stay it plays a vital role in the process of training and form new BizTalk developers or administrators but also to improve the existent skills of all of us.

Even me when I start to write my own posts or articles sometimes, or several times, I end up learning new stuff that I wasn't expecting, in this way, writing could also be a good way for us to learn new things about BizTalk Server and integration in general.

Mahesh: Your suggestion to a newcomers? What should be approach to get sound knowledge in Biztalk? 
Sandro: Get a book, there are several good books about BizTalk Server; start following some blogs; go to forums, not only to place questions but also for searching for problems; consume the MSDN and TechNet Wiki… and make a lot of samples, virtual labs and work with it.

Steef-Jan Wiggers wrote some while ago a Beginners Guide , if you are a beginner you should read that. And also this articles that contain a list of training resources for developers and administrators


Mahesh: What are your thoughts around BizTalk certification? 
Sandro: In general, certification is more valuable to present to clients as a way to "prove" that you have knowledge of the product. But not really a way or an indicator that you have experience and know-how. Your community activity, your projects or endorsements from community members has, in my personal opinion, more value.

Mahesh: What is the future of BizTalk? 
Sandro: Microsoft is putting a lot of effort and focus in the cloud, in this case, Microsoft Azure BizTalk Service where we will see a shorter cadence of releases than with BizTalk Server but on premise will stay, Microsoft will not move away from the on premise part and it will continue to invest and improve the platform. The release cadence of the Microsoft Integration is as follows:

* Major Version of BizTalk Server every 2 years – last major release was BizTalk Server 2013
* Minor Release of BizTalk Server every alternate year - BizTalk Server 2013 R2
* BizTalk Services will follow a release cadence of 6 months

At the end, not in the next 2/3 years in my opinion, this two platform (on premise and in the cloud) will converge and we will probably have again only one platform that can run on premises and in the cloud.

Mahesh: Any thoughts on cloud? 
SandroMicrosoft Azure BizTalk Services is starting and is young, again Microsoft is putting a lot of effort and focus on it, but it still have a long way to run and to become a powerful and mature integration platform. At the moment I suggest to use it to implement hybrid solutions like for example migrate small parts of process that requires low latency to cloud. But I think Microsoft is doing a good job.

Mahesh: What motivates you to do the community work?
Sandro: Well good question. I am a very active in the BizTalk community, I have my personal blog where I write an average of 100 post per year:  , I’m a member and moderator on the MSDN BizTalk Server Forums, TechNet Wiki author, Code Gallery and CodePlex contributor, member of BizTalk Brazil community where I write content in Portuguese, member of NetPonto community , BiztalkAdminsBlogging  community, editor of the magazine “Programar ”, public speaker and recently author of the book “BizTalk Mapping Patterns & Best Practices ”.

And I do all of this because… I like, writing is a hobby for me and a way to escape the stress of our work and our lives in general. Some persons love to run or playing other sports, others reading and so on. In my spare time: I enjoy traveling; play soccer with my friends; go to the cinema; read technical literature and write mainly in my blog about BizTalk.

But a key factor for all of that was José Antonio Silva, R&D Director at DevScope, it was he who encouraged me (almost forced me) to start contributing to the community. One day in mid-2008, he came to my side and told me I had reached a certain level in my career that I should start giving to the community what she had given me all these years and that if I did that, I would start to like it and he was right J. And it is healthy hobby, I don’t consider it work because I have no deadlines or requirements, I’m just playing with a technology that I like and write about it, I got the chances to improve myself and learn new things… and that led me to become Microsoft Integration Most Valuable Professional (MVP) since January 2011.

But most important there is nothing that can prepare you when someone that you don’t know reach to you and says "Thank you" it is priceless and makes me want to continue.

Thanks a lot Sandro, great insights , this will surely benefit many.

Feel Free to ask questions to Sandro in the comments!!!!!!!!

Related Post:


If you have any suggestions or questions or want to share something then please drop a comment

Previous Post Next Post